tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post5483180630785010524..comments2023-10-22T09:19:57.342-04:00Comments on אישים ושיטות: Avraham's mother, Shimshon's sister and the "Immaculate Conception"Wolf2191http://www.blogger.com/profile/13577870680689849400noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-85670745284184982232009-02-19T09:28:00.000-05:002009-02-19T09:28:00.000-05:00BS"DI suspect the older source is Sefer Hayashar. ...BS"D<BR/><BR/>I suspect the older source is Sefer Hayashar. Actually, I think my edition (with Nikud - probably added later) says Amtalai, not Amatlai, but I do not have the book handy and I cannot check now. Also, the version Amtalay might be in my memory because many years ago I was taught that the name of Avraham's mother was Amtalay bat Karnavò and that's the reason why I read it that way. If I remember I will check. <BR/>And, unfortunately, we cannot trust very much those "wiki experts" ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-45159735335659447432008-11-26T13:33:00.000-05:002008-11-26T13:33:00.000-05:00The word "hara" is ambiguous, as we see by Tamat "...The word "hara" is ambiguous, as we see by Tamat "hara leznunim", meaning ALREADY pregnant, while by Hagar is means "will become pregnant", see Rashi that Sorah made Hagar suffer a miscariage, so whe was no longer pregnant at the time the Malach spoke to her (and will become ppregnant again). This is the general ambiguity of adjectives that only take a tense in context. Thus, v. 4 that you cited simply means that "you will concieve".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-85763286544682959692008-11-17T01:23:00.000-05:002008-11-17T01:23:00.000-05:00On relying on Wikipedia in legal contexts:linkOn relying on Wikipedia in legal contexts:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://volokh.com/posts/chain_1226596691.shtml" REL="nofollow">link</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-82627509473332312712008-11-15T18:53:00.000-05:002008-11-15T18:53:00.000-05:00In Cassuto you mean? I'm not saying it's in his Do...In Cassuto you mean? I'm not saying it's in his Documentary Hypothesis. It could be in his pirush on Bereishis. (I don't have it, otherwise I'd look. Point is, he is the likely source to look for.)Mississippi Fred MacDowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734864605700159687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-38499372100543283802008-11-15T18:32:00.000-05:002008-11-15T18:32:00.000-05:00Thanks but Google books couldn't find anythingThanks but Google books couldn't find anythingWolf2191https://www.blogger.com/profile/13577870680689849400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-64790676299768558882008-11-14T14:12:00.000-05:002008-11-14T14:12:00.000-05:00In general, Reinman doesn't seem to be overly fami...In general, Reinman doesn't seem to be overly familiar with scholarly work on Jewish subjects (e.g., professing not to even be aware that Ibn Ezra is seen as a proto-source critic of the Bible). However, he does mention Cassuto (a favorite Bible scholar for frum people), so I would not be surprised if this is his source for the info about the Sumerian name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-47982595130666910722008-11-14T12:52:00.000-05:002008-11-14T12:52:00.000-05:00Sefer HaYashar is a lot earlier than Pirkei D' R E...Sefer HaYashar is a lot earlier than Pirkei D' R Eliezer. Huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-83795260740790171412008-11-14T10:16:00.000-05:002008-11-14T10:16:00.000-05:00The idrash in which he is "grinding mountains toge...The idrash in which he is "grinding mountains together", interesting identifying characterisitic for Moshiach.<BR/><BR/>Your Davidic decsent idea is interesting but not sure if it works.<BR/><BR/>BTW, Sefer HaYashar (as source for Lots wife) is a lot earlier then Pirkei D' R ElizerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-24362250571574253052008-11-14T08:11:00.000-05:002008-11-14T08:11:00.000-05:00the above was just random free-association, of cou...the above was just random free-association, of course.<BR/><BR/>also, I know of no scholarly source for that name, or similar names but just because it a name (or a similar name) shows up in Sumerian records does not mean it must be a Sumerian name, and thus must accord to the typical form of Sumerian names -- just that it was a name in use at about that time. For example, the Egyptian slave lists, which has the North-West Semitic name Shifra on it. So perhaps his claim was not that it sounded Sumerian.<BR/><BR/>KT,<BR/>Joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8358603577059630653.post-83460469494329098552008-11-14T07:44:00.000-05:002008-11-14T07:44:00.000-05:00thanks.very interesting. I never saw that gemara b...thanks.<BR/>very interesting. I never saw that gemara before. besides, or perhaps alongside the gemara's answer, Midrash Hagadol connects zlilponit to הַצְלֶלְפּוֹנִי of Divrei HaYamim I 4:3. So perhaps there is a genealogical purpose to that particular name, making her descend from Peretz, and thus from Yehudah. This could also be an answer to the Christians, somehow, in terms of their genealogy. E.g. if they have some kind of genealogy from the mother's side for Jesus back to Yehudah (for after all, there is no ancestry on the father's side given his purported Father), or if we can cast Shimshon as the fulfillment of some sort of messianic prophecy. <BR/><BR/>We have, IIRC, the end of Bereishit Rabba where Yaakov sees Shimshon and thinks he is the melech hamashiach. But then, when he sees that Shimshon dies, he knows that this is not the melech hamashiach.<BR/><BR/>KT,<BR/>Joshjoshwaxmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149022516101476797noreply@blogger.com